Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Rusty could hit with the lights out. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. bob saunders April 30, 2009 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. 6'1", 170???? 170 lbs.? Peter Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Peter (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. How good were they? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Served with United States Air Force National Guard, 1963. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. August 7, 2018 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. LA-Mets A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. August 7, 2018 Peter My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. January 12, 2011 NYB Buff However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. bob saunders That's more realistic but generous, I think! Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. December 13, 2007 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. January 12, 2011 GoMets2006 Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Larry Burns As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. April 24, 2003 He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. May 6, 2003 Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Raymond Malcuit Jr. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Rusty loved New York and the Mets, and wanted to finish his career here. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. June 30, 2019 June 2, 2006 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Doug S. October 2, 2005 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He started 45 games and completed 29. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. September 25, 2013 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. September 24, 2005 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Randy Tate I had a Mickey Lolich mitt. pete Thanks for the memories, Mick! October 4, 2005 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. October 2, 2005 April 6, 2012 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. feat fan For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. From 1964-1975, he never won fewest than 12 games. October 19, 2011 March 2, 2003 Raymond Malcuit Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Famous Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich ('62-'79), owned "Mickey Lolich Donuts & Pastry Shop" next to the Lake Orion post office. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. senor ortiz October 19, 2011 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Ramblin' Pete His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. NYB Buff April 27, 2013 6'1", 170???? That's more realistic but generous, I think! Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. He later resurfaced with the Padres. April 24, 2003 October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Robert Lolich was a fine pitcher. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. October 4, 2005 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. April 6, 2012 May 8, 2003 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. April 27, 2013 Dianna Jeanneh Jones Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). pete April 23, 2003 April 30, 2009 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. April 30, 2009 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. In his first three seasons, he compiled a 17-29 record in 82 games. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. August 7, 2002 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. - Now for the trade itself. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. =Chuck= The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. John Bruce The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. No contest. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. What an interesting parallel, huh? He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. $289.95. April 30, 2009 Mets history broken down into ten-year chunks! Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, Hall of Fame, and more. January 12, 2011 body would be a pretty slender person. snook Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Peter Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Raymond Malcuit Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. November 3, 2006 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Raymond Malcuit Jr. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Ramblin' Pete Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Stu Baron That would make him a star in today's market. He had terrific stuff. Man, those pitches were big ones. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Lolich was a fine pitcher. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. January 12, 2011 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. John Bruce Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE. Lolich came within a batter of a complete game also. August 11, 2015 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Bob P Ramblin' Pete The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. What an interesting parallel, huh? End of Line Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! October 19, 2011 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the '', Lolich and his wife, Joyce, left the ball park without answering questions about how the current team compares to Detroit's last pennant winner. Bartolo Colon etc). June 30, 2019 Bob P I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Mickey liked his doughnuts. June 2, 2006 =Chuck= This has never happened before? Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. April 30, 2009 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Gary from Chesapeake Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Mr. Sparkle May 7, 2013 August 7, 2018 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. LA-Mets bob saunders He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Joe Figliola But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. October 2, 2005 Mr. Sparkle Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. Man, he was a big one. John Bruce October 19, 2011 October 13, 2008 As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. December 8, 2006 Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. June 2, 2006 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Jay They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. 170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. And complaining about how fat he was? As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He later came back to play for the Padres. September 29, 2007 April 23, 2003 September 24, 2005 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. He goes up one notch for being a character! (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Mickey Lolich may soon surrender a record that he's held for 44 years - Vintage Detroit Collection. You can't be serious. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. August 11, 2015 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Jamey Bumbalo April 6, 2012 March 22, 2005 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. 6'1", 170???? A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Dianna Jeanneh Jones HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Raymond Malcuit Jr. The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. mets So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. August 7, 2018 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. May 7, 2013 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. - Now for the trade itself. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. April 27, 2013 Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mike B So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Rusty played another decade. 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